Weird one - Router Death by Vista

Here's a weird one.

It seems that Vista RC2 is routinely killing my ADSL router

I have a dual boot system (patched up XP Pro vs Vista RC2).

Vista seems to be killing my D-Link DSL-500 like...., several times a day while Vista is running.

Has anyone else noticed this

I'm thinking.... some sort of weird network plug and play thing (which is disabled - by the way)

RickW

Mike,

RE: Why do you believe Windows Vista is the culprit

I admit the evidence is circumstantial... however... it goes like this...

1. The system is dual booted between Vista RC2 and XP Pro SP2

2. The local 192.168.x.x. network has 1 single PC (above) a default gateway (combo DLink ADSL router + DHCP server)

3. There is also a Dlink 504 802.11G AP on 192.168.x.x. with no clients

4. The "hung" router symptom only happens when the dual boot PC system is in Vista mode

5. The "hung" condition is quite frequent 0-3 times in a 4 hour session say. The routers LEDs freeze and the default gateway will not respond to PING and the web interface is not responsive. I have recycle the power on the ADSL router to restore connectivity

6. I notice the symptom in 3 ways:

- While actively browsing the web under Vista - noticing that sites are no longer responding

- Noticing the Vista network icon shows "Limited Connectivity"

- Using the XBOX 360 Media Extender - the session disconnects from Vista PC

7. The only log I have is off the ADSL router

[PPP]Up 1 min 28 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1 min 28 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 1 min 31 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 1 min 31 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1 min 31 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 1 min 32 secs-Auth:PPP authentication fail;
[PPP]Up 1 min 32 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 2 mins 7 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 2 mins 10 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2 mins 10 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 2 mins 10 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2 mins 11 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 274 mins 30 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 302 mins 56 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 302 mins 59 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 302 mins 59 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 303 mins 0 sec-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 303 mins 0 sec-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 412 mins 39 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 517 mins 14 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 517 mins 17 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 517 mins 17 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 517 mins 18 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 517 mins 18 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 782 mins 7 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 1180 mins 51 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 1180 mins 54 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1180 mins 54 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 1180 mins 54 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1180 mins 55 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1337 mins 4 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 1345 mins 33 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 1345 mins 36 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1345 mins 36 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 1345 mins 37 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1345 mins 38 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1360 mins 36 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 1364 mins 46 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 1364 mins 49 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1364 mins 49 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 1364 mins 50 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1364 mins 50 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1632 mins 39 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 1675 mins 33 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 1675 mins 36 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1675 mins 36 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 1675 mins 36 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1675 mins 36 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1841 mins 36 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 1875 mins 27 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 1875 mins 30 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1875 mins 30 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 1875 mins 31 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1875 mins 31 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1907 mins 40 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 1922 mins 50 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 1922 mins 53 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1922 mins 53 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 1922 mins 54 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1922 mins 55 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1954 mins 33 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 2015 mins 43 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 2015 mins 46 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2015 mins 46 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 2015 mins 46 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2015 mins 46 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2851 mins 46 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 2854 mins 16 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 2854 mins 19 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2854 mins 19 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 2854 mins 19 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2854 mins 20 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 3642 mins 59 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 4055 mins 3 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 4055 mins 6 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 4055 mins 6 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 4055 mins 6 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 4055 mins 7 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1 min 35 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 218 mins 5 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 243 mins 5 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 243 mins 8 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 243 mins 8 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 243 mins 9 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 243 mins 9 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 325 mins 38 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 328 mins 17 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 328 mins 20 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 328 mins 20 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 328 mins 20 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 328 mins 20 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 410 mins 0 sec-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 423 mins 31 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 423 mins 34 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 423 mins 34 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 423 mins 34 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 423 mins 34 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 512 mins 14 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 832 mins 37 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 832 mins 40 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 832 mins 40 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 832 mins 40 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 832 mins 41 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 847 mins 0 sec-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 857 mins 39 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 857 mins 42 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 857 mins 42 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 857 mins 42 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 857 mins 42 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 862 mins 52 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 871 mins 10 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 871 mins 13 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 871 mins 13 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 871 mins 13 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 871 mins 14 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 877 mins 43 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 877 mins 57 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 878 mins 0 sec-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 878 mins 0 sec-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 878 mins 0 sec-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 878 mins 0 sec-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 887 mins 20 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 901 mins 11 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 901 mins 14 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 901 mins 14 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 901 mins 15 secs-Auth:PPP authentication fail;
[PPP]Up 901 mins 15 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 901 mins 19 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 901 mins 22 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 901 mins 22 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 901 mins 23 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 901 mins 23 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 961 mins 2 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 995 mins 25 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 995 mins 28 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 995 mins 28 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 995 mins 29 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 995 mins 29 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1043 mins 48 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 1051 mins 21 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 1051 mins 24 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1051 mins 24 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 1051 mins 24 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1051 mins 25 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1097 mins 24 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 1105 mins 23 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 1105 mins 26 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1105 mins 26 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 1105 mins 26 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1105 mins 26 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1244 mins 46 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 1251 mins 13 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 1251 mins 16 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1251 mins 16 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 1251 mins 17 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1251 mins 17 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1257 mins 36 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 1258 mins 29 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 1258 mins 32 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1258 mins 32 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 1258 mins 33 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1258 mins 33 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1295 mins 12 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 1296 mins 22 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 1296 mins 25 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1296 mins 25 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 1296 mins 26 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1296 mins 26 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[SNMP]Up 12 secs-Link:Ethernet Link Up;
[BUN]Up 16 secs-Link:ADSL Link Up;
[PPP]Up 1 min 7 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 1 min 31 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1 min 31 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 1 min 32 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1 min 32 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 69 mins 1 sec-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 73 mins 59 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 74 mins 3 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 74 mins 3 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 74 mins 3 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 74 mins 3 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1343 mins 43 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 1344 mins 12 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 1344 mins 15 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1344 mins 15 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 1344 mins 15 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1344 mins 15 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1350 mins 55 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 1363 mins 27 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 1363 mins 30 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1363 mins 30 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 1363 mins 31 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1363 mins 31 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1387 mins 20 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 1396 mins 46 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 1396 mins 49 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1396 mins 49 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 1396 mins 49 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1396 mins 49 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1402 mins 29 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 1408 mins 29 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 1408 mins 32 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1408 mins 32 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 1408 mins 33 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 1408 mins 33 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2181 mins 2 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 2230 mins 22 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 2230 mins 25 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2230 mins 25 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 2230 mins 25 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2230 mins 25 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2304 mins 35 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 2305 mins 41 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 2305 mins 44 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2305 mins 44 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 2305 mins 45 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2305 mins 45 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2322 mins 14 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 2335 mins 56 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 2335 mins 59 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2335 mins 59 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 2335 mins 59 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2335 mins 59 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2373 mins 49 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 2396 mins 9 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 2396 mins 12 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2396 mins 12 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 2396 mins 13 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2396 mins 14 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2401 mins 22 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 2426 mins 22 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 2426 mins 25 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2426 mins 25 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 2426 mins 25 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2426 mins 26 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2437 mins 35 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 2456 mins 35 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 2456 mins 39 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2456 mins 39 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 2456 mins 39 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2456 mins 39 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2461 mins 49 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 2486 mins 49 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 2486 mins 52 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2486 mins 52 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 2486 mins 52 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2486 mins 52 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2493 mins 22 secs-Connect:PPP Stop;
[PPP]Up 2517 mins 5 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;
[PPP]Up 2517 mins 8 secs-Connect:PPP LCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2517 mins 8 secs-Auth:PPP Start PAP authentication;
[PPP]Up 2517 mins 9 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[PPP]Up 2517 mins 9 secs-Connect:PPP IPCP reaches open state;
[SNMP]Up 12 secs-Link:Ethernet Link Up;
[BUN]Up 16 secs-Link:ADSL Link Up;
[PPP]Up 1 min 7 secs-Connect:PPP triggered start;

I don't know how to force the behaviour.

Correlation is not causation - that's why I want to ask folk if they have noticed this symptom as well.

These sorts of possible interaction issue often get the blood pressure up eh

I have a workaround via the power reset , however, The Wife Acceptance Factor is being severely dented :(

Cheers,

RickW

hi,

I have the same problem. Also perfectly working on xp and router dieing in vista.

I have tried to uncheck the TCP/IPv6 box in the LAN options a minute ago, seems to be working but not sure though.

Happened to me on wired and wireless router, the router just resets itself leaving me with no internet, only a local connection. I have to go into the router and make it renew DHCP to find my external ip/dns etc..

I'll try to post back later to tell you if this problem is solved. Maybe you can try it too :)

cheers,

-bb10

The symptoms sound similar.

I will try disabling IPv6 too.

BTW: When I went to reply.... the router had hung and needed to be rebooted .

bb10,

Nice try. I tried it and it seemed to work for a few hours. I had really high hopes - the fix sounded attractive intuitively.

It has to be something like this. i.e. something Vista is doing differently that the router is not expecting and not handling properly.

Any other ideas

RickW

hi,

Yeah it D/C'ed for me too. Also found that when i start/shut down vista it resets the router.

Haven't found a solution yet but i'll keep searching.

I also think it has something to do with vista sending a signal to the router that causes it to reset.

cheers,

bb10

I may have found a solution :)

Turned off UPnP in my router, now my router doesn't d/c when i start/shut down vista or the nic.

:)

Except I have always had uPnP disabled and I still get hard lockups every few hours

What model router do you have

I may end up having to buy another brand/model :(

Rickw

ZardoS42 wrote:

Except I have always had uPnP disabled and I still get hard lockups every few hours What model router do you have   I may end up having to buy another brand/model :(   Rickw

I have a SMC Barracuda 7004ABR v2 EU

I have the same problem with a Belkin F5D7630uk-4A.

On logon or restart/shutdown, or an attempt to access the internet by Windows components (Windows updates, Windows Defender, downloading Media Guide etc), my router will restart and I will lose internet connectivity for however long it takes the router to cycle.

I am running a dual-boot of XP Pro SP2 on my C: drive (250GB SATA2) and Vista RC2 on my G: drive (80GB SATA2). There are no problems with the router whatsoever under XP.

The exact same problems occured with Beta 2 & RC1.