Scott Heimendinger

I'm dying to run SideShow gadgets on my WinMo 5 pocket pc. When will drivers be available and will there be any hardware-related restrictions on what type of gadgets will run

Thanks,

Scott




Re: Windows SideShow Development When will SideShow drivers be available for my Windows Mobile 5 device?

tenorwoody85

Hi Scott,

The Windows Driver Kit has some excellent samples to help you get started on writing your own SideShow drivers.  With the new User Mode Driver Framework it is now much easier to write your own drivers.

As for hardware restrictions.  There shouldn't be any at all.  It really all depends on how much of the specification you (or the 3rd party) is willing the implement.  Standard SCF gadgets don't require any complicated transfers so sending via Bluetooth/WiFi is simple enough.

With any SideShow implementation there are 2 major components.  The driver provides the communication with the device and the device itself must take the SideShow commands sent from the driver and parse them to however you wish to display them.  If you implement two-way communication then there are no limits to what you can achieve with SideShow.  You can even go as far as making your own gadget type if you find SCF limiting!

-james






Re: Windows SideShow Development When will SideShow drivers be available for my Windows Mobile 5 device?

eschumac

James,

Hi. Are you saying that it's trvial to create our own driver for WM5 to support SideShow on mobile devices that use WM5

Would it be possible for you to link to some references showing some examples for creating a driver for WM5

thanks.





Re: Windows SideShow Development When will SideShow drivers be available for my Windows Mobile 5 device?

tenorwoody85

I wouldn't say it is 'trivial' but it is certainly easier than it used to be to make a driver.

If you download the WDK (available on Microsoft Connect) you can see the sample Windows SideShow driver.

I am assuming a working knowledge of C++ (although in theory it is possible to create a C#/.NET driver). Getting the sample driver up and running is fairly simple but it does not connect to any specific hardware (you'll need to fake it via "Add Hardware") but once you have a device listed then you can enable the debugger, set a few breakpoints and watch it go.

See: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/aa939012.aspx for more high-level info on how to do it.

The WDK is quite a large install but the amount of samples it contains are impressive.

-james






Re: Windows SideShow Development When will SideShow drivers be available for my Windows Mobile 5 device?

Sean McLeod

Microsoft have previously shown a Windows Mobile SideShow device.

So the 1st question is whether Microsoft plan on releasing the driver and the device side rendering app for Windows Mobile devices. If they are planning to do so in the 'near' future then it doesn't make sense to go and write a driver and client side rendering app.

If however Microsoft state that they have no plans to release a Windows Mobile SideShow driver/app then it would make sense to take a look at the WDK in terms of writing a user mode driver to communicate with a Windows Mobile device and also write the client side app running on the Mobile device to accept the data stream and render it on the device.

So can Microsoft indicate what their plans are

Cheers





Re: Windows SideShow Development When will SideShow drivers be available for my Windows Mobile 5 device?

tenorwoody85

See: http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx PostID=1076255&SiteID=1#1125748

Dan Polivy (Windows SideShow developer) explains that i-mate may be releasing a PPC renderer.

-james






Re: Windows SideShow Development When will SideShow drivers be available for my Windows Mobile 5 device?

Dan Polivy - MSFT

We (Microsoft) had an internal prototype that we started showing back at MEDC 2006 for Windows Mobile. Currently we are evaluating our options for productizing this.

At CES, we were demoing an implementation from i-mate for Windows Mobile, and as far as I am aware they are still expecting to be able to release this in Q1. Those guys have done a pretty good job on it, too :)

Dan





Re: Windows SideShow Development When will SideShow drivers be available for my Windows Mobile 5 device?

Peter Henning

3GSM is over, i-mate announced their ultimate line with sideshow driver and it seems to me that they won't release this driver as a separate download instead only bundling with this new line of windows mobile phones.

I really hope Microsoft decides to release such a driver and please consider us for betatesting if such a product is indeed on its way.

Regards,

Peter





Re: Windows SideShow Development When will SideShow drivers be available for my Windows Mobile 5 device?

apexchaser

I'll second that request. I have seen plenty of interest from users of WM5 devices (PDAs and smartphones) who would like to use the devices as sideshow remotes for Vista Mediacenter. I see this as a killer-app for sideshow. There's a huge number of existing Windows Mobile devices out there, either with 802.11g or Bluetooth connectivity, which would benefit from a sideshow driver/client

As an aside, what's the correct terminology for what would run on a WM device to enable it to run sideshow gadgets Is it a "client" or a "driver"

Regards,
F.




Re: Windows SideShow Development When will SideShow drivers be available for my Windows Mobile 5 device?

Huat Chye Lim - MSFT

Thanks for all your interest in seeing a SideShow application for Windows Mobile devices! As Dan mentioned earlier, we're still evaluating whether to release such a product. We'll be sure to let this forum know when a decision has been made.

There are two main components you would need to enable SideShow gadgets to run on WM devices: a Windows Mobile application to display SideShow data from the Vista PC and a PC-side driver that sends SideShow data from the Vista PC to the device.

Huat Chye Lim





Re: Windows SideShow Development When will SideShow drivers be available for my Windows Mobile 5 device?

Atomusk

I can't understand Ms logic with SideShow ... it's obviously a HOT feature of Vista. I'm sure you know Engadget :

http://www.engadget.com/search/ q=sideshow

The comments show that SideShow is a WOW factor of Vista!

And what about Imate momento review :

http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/25/hands-on-with-the-i-mate-momento-70/

Yet, the biggest problem of sideshow right now as they say is the lack of sideshow gadgets.

 

Why won't people create gadgets for Sideshow One simple reason : no device in hand. I have created a couple of sidebar gadgets, let's face it, I didn't created them for the community ... the gadgets I made where made for my own interrest ! I shared them because I think it's the right thing to do to create a great community, but I would never had created a gadget if I couldn't find an interrest in it (I have a work, I code gadget in my free time).

And I know I can't find an interrest in creating a gadget for an "Sideshow emulator" ... don't worth my time, I will just create a gadget in the sidebar.

So now you have this driver that run under Windows Mobile and you are wondering if you should release it or not Even an alpha version would make me create Gadgets like crazy (would love a remote control for media center/traffic map/alarm clock on my PDA!

 

And then I see this from on10 in the "Vista Week" : http://on10.net/Blogs/laura/vista-gadgets-running-on-windows-mobile/

Regular sidebar gadget with Windows Mobile are you kidding me Do microsoft want to kill sideshow

And the guy in the video DARE to say that this feature comes from the IPhone When Sideshow is like 1.5 years old To have someone from Ms to say that this feature is a copy

Let me say this : I have no "love" for Ms. I love some of your products, I love Vista, I love WHS, I love the Sidebar, I love the 360. But what I HATE from MS is all the missed opportunities ... and Sideshow is one of the most outrageous missed opportunity for me ! From the day Vista launched, you should have released Sideshow driver for WM, Zune, 360 ... I should wonder on which of my gadgets I should run Sideshow (my PDA my cellphone my MP3 player ) !

 

Please start to realise you are on a gold mine !

Sorry for my english, it's not my mother language





Re: Windows SideShow Development When will SideShow drivers be available for my Windows Mobile 5 device?

Huat Chye Lim - MSFT

Atomusk,

Thanks for your feedback and passion. I think you've listed some great reasons for releasing a SideShow on Windows Mobile application. As you say, I agree that it would greatly expand the number of potential SideShow users, and it would also encourage more developers to write SideShow gadgets. Also, thanks for your passion around SideShow. Here at Microsoft, it's quite exciting to see our users feel so strongly about a technology we've developed, and it's one of the things that motivates our team to continue making SideShow better.

Do keep in mind that the prototype application we showed at MEDC last year is exactly that: a prototype. It's buggy, doesn't support all gadgets in all scenarios, and the UI is not graphically rich. If we were to publicly release this application, we would want to address all of these issues, and that's a significant amount of work. We need to evaluate this work against all the other (also exciting) projects we're considering doing with SideShow this year.

That said, don't be surprised if we decide to do this - I agree with the reasons you've listed above and I think it would be great if we did release this application. Expect to hear more from us about this in the MEDC 2007 timeframe.





Re: Windows SideShow Development When will SideShow drivers be available for my Windows Mobile 5 device?

dabe

I would like to second atomusk's message, ever since I heard about sideshow i was thinking 'that would be awesome if i could get my HTC TyTN working as an sideshow client'. To hear that its possible, just made my day!, i'd be willing to pay for the software for the PPC (if any 3rd party developers are listening!)

There are countless different possiblities for all types of differnet Sideshow gadgets which could be useful!

Come on MS (or even a 3rd party devloper) Make us happy and release a driver/application to enable PPC to be a side show device.





Re: Windows SideShow Development When will SideShow drivers be available for my Windows Mobile 5 device?

apexchaser

Microsoft team:

Any updates on the availability of a sideshow client for Pocet PC/Windows Mobile (2003, WM5) devices

You guys are sitting on a fantastic app here, which would significantly increase the value of both our Vista Media Center systems as well as our Windows Mobile devices. Come on! Launch something! Even if it's beta code, we want to get our hands on it!

Regards,

F.





Re: Windows SideShow Development When will SideShow drivers be available for my Windows Mobile 5 device?

Dan Polivy - MSFT

Actually, at MEDC last week we did officially announce that we will be supporting Windows SideShow on Windows Mobile! It didn't quite make the headlines, though Smile Unfortunately no word yet on when we'll have an external beta, but we hear the feedback and are doing our best to get it out.

We're currently planning to support both Windows Mobile 5 and Windows Moble 6 devices, connected to the PC via Bluetooth.

We'll be sure to post more updates when we have them!

Dan